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Ed Ziomek
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 Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: Microchip Tracking Devices for Humans, Two Views! |
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Possibly mentioned here in another thread, I am intrigued at the new tracking devices for humans, implanted like a rice kernel under the skin.
Article by Uri Dowbenko, on a conspiracy web site...
VeriChip: RFID Microchip Implants for Humans
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=74&contentid=900&page=1
"In Mexico, implantable and trackable micro-chips for humans, which can be used to store personal information, like medical, military, criminal and credit history, have been introduced by Applied Digital Solutions of Palm Beach, Florida.
Its brand name is Verichip, and it's a tiny microchip the size of a grain of rice that is implanted under the skin."
Article by Fred Burks on the invasive implications....
Microchip Implants: CNN and CBS Report...Current Use in Humans
http://www.- abuse alert -/cbscnnimplants
The technology to implant microchips and track people's movements and even their bank accounts with these chips is now being publicly acknowledged. The below two articles on microchip implants from the CNN and CBS websites cause one to pause and think. I am a big supporter of truth and transparency on both global and personal levels, but microchip implants under the skin is an invasive procedure for which I have no interest.
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My own opinion...it would be a great concept for tracking children, maybe to be removed at adulthood or some pre-designated time. For adults, it would be very dangerous, and massively invasive for privacy issues.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Ed
you are right - the microchip for humans is intended as an invasion of privacy. It is, and is designed as, a spectacular way of controlling a population.
The problem has been how to con people into allowing them to be fitted.
I congratulate the nightclub on finding a way of making it appear trendy. Very clever, and unbelievably dangerous.
As for using them on children, I think that it is a bit like the idea of using tranquilliser dart guns on children - tempting (especially for other people's children) but in reality these troublesome little animals should be allowed to roam free, to be controlled by their parents.
hi-tec Stalinism remains Stalinism.
one simply has to consider that as well as financial, police, and other records, the chip can (unknown to the person) include voting information.
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Ed Ziomek
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: And another thing... |
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Rich, thanks for another great response.
New York City has an added twist to the invasion of privacy concerns.
I believe a City statute has just been passed requiring ALL, A-L-L nightclubs to have video cameras record who comes and goes into the premises, as part of the new required data storage procedure and non-warranted review by any authorized police agency (and undoubtedly by anyone with any money to spend)....for safety concerns, of course.
Well, great for security, but lets think about this for one second. All gay clubs now are required to record who patronizes their clubs, to the obvious concern of gays and straights and patriotic citizens!
The best clubs in New York have no signs, no lights, just a big beefy guy at the door (or behind it) screening entrants who are "by invite only". These clubs too will be required to monitor the comings and goings of everyone.
Of course, apparently there are the usual denials..."We wouldn't abuse the use of this information", etc. etc.
On the technology side, I know for a fact that battery-free microphones and transmitters can be miniaturized into something the size and shape of a paper-label, i.e., the size of a postage stamp, and now a rice kernel.
I guess the future is totally, big brother Stalin is watching!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Nothing new but interesting |
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| These implantable microchips have been around for at least 8 or maybe even 9 years already. I saw an article on this way back then, and it is interesting to see how it is slowly being implanted around the world. There is much research on this, and the implications are global in scale. |
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Ed Ziomek
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: Cell Phones and Privacy |
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Thank you for the response. Yes, the technology is probably more than 9 years old.
For children, I see these devices implanted within their teeth or maybe ear. I also see panic devices sewn into shoes or belt buckles which can alert parents to any dangerous event. These are good things.
For adults, though, it gets dangerous in my view, in that cell phone and PC technology already can broadcast or "ping" information to recipients, unknown to the person. I always wonder why my PC screen will "fidgit" for no reason, just before my cell phone goes into ringtone, or sometimes when it DOESN'T go into ringtone, as if someone is "pinging" my location.
In my taxi/limo biz, I know of at least two limo companies that have installed video cameras and audio pickup microphones in their limos which can remotely audio/video monitor conversations within the back seats. No warning signs either, and the rumors or even worse examples I can't put in print.
This is/was very un-nerving to me as a driver, and I actually quit one company because of it. Oh, yes, the Connecticut court system I believe ruled that merely riding in a hired car does NOT give the paying customer the right to his personal privacy (I may be wrong on this)!
So keepeth thy mouth shut about confidential information in a taxi or limo!? Who needs locator chips when cell phones can be turned on and off remotely, and locations tracked without your knowledge?
Yes, I'm paranoid.
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| Now these systems when they work together , when various systems work together, then very soon can pin point a person by filtering out , tracking back , combining various systems ----- that day , proberly tomorrow, it could become a good thing, something you could decide to enter ,indeed it could become curious why you wouldn't register as it's all for your own goods, --- think about all the things you wouldn't fear anymore , how much easier it would be to automate discovery of non registrated personal being within a particular arear. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: This is just the tip of the iceberg |
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Well, cell phone and microchip tracking is nothing compared to what the government is now doing in terms of new technology. They are getting to the point where they will be able to read your thoughts by reading your retina. They can spy anyone from satellites, implant sounds in your brain by electromagnetic beaming, ping your computer to know who you are, spy on your internet activity, on your business, on your personal life. They have been engaged in testing their advance equipment on humans, including US citizens, without our consent. They have developed weapons capable of disrupting our sleep, inducing fear and panic by radio or microwave transmissions and soon will be able to manipulate and control human behavior by many remote means. Many top secret projects never reach public opinion, and the technologies are so advanced, this is only a tip of the iceberg in terms of what they are doing. Nobody has any privacy anymore. Who do you think developed the internet and monitors and controls all traffic, spies on our personal e-mails, internet activity? They set up false proxies promising safe browsing when in reality they are using those to spy on your browsing activities. They implant chips in humans with multiple excuses, but the result is human control. They now are working on systems so powerful that they will be able to monitor live real world experience, and be able to manipulate human events to their favor, by applying these technologies on a massive scale, ,to achieve their diabolical desire for global control. So this is just the tip of the iceberg. There is evidence for all that has been posted, including links to the reference articles to support these claims, for those who would like to know more on this subject.
In the one article I posted the link on our site -->>
" ElectromagneticWeapons2006.pdf"
Total Surveillance: Cognitive Liberties vs. National Security
"Today the US and the U.K. are becoming total surveillance societies in the name of national security. London, like cities across the US, is equipped with cameras citywide. Daily human actions are recorded with video and voice recognition device, while our email and computer usage is monitored. Increased demand for resources, the erosion of middle classes, war, poverty, and environmental disasters are historically factors leading to social uprisings and infiltration of political borders. As governments reinforce the threat of terror, people increasingly turn to their governments for protection.
The US has a long history of human rights violations through harassment, telephone tapping, video surveillance, behavior manipulation, torture, drug-induced states of conscience and psychological control. Congress’s passage of the Military Commission Act of 2006 put universal human rights
outside the scope of US policy. Today, the US government is using the most technologically advanced forms of surveillance and control, along with the propaganda of fear and intimidation against its citizens. The US engages in covert torture, covert imprisonment, increased censorship and
the massive secret classification of government documents.142
Under the cover of secrecy provided by claims of national security, researchers in service to higher circle policy elites have implanted electrodes into human subjects to control minds and tortured prisoners and the mentally ill in efforts to find better “brainwashing” techniques. They have poisoned thousands with atomic testing, experimented on young children using drugs, trauma and hypnosis, sprayed major cities with biological agents to prepare for a future attack, overthrown governments, instituted mass killings, and engaged in every form of information distortion.
The current “War on Terror” has revealed to the public some of the tools that the military has been developing for decades. High profile weapons systems flash across the nightly reports of the major news networks, including highflying Stealth bombers on grainy green tinted video from the noses of “smart” bombs. On occasion glimpses are given through the media of what one article dubbed “Wonder Weapons.”148 Weapons that fall under the military category of “Non-Lethal Weapons.” In fact the general position of the agencies who do comment on weapons that exploit the lower end of the electromagnetic spectrum is that they have no biological effect at all, except for what are dubbed “thermal effects,” in essence heating of human cells.149
Their are all kind of misconceptions within even the government itself.
Most people don't realize what these projects are doing, and how dangerous they are in the hands of anybody, whether it be the government, private or corporate enterprise.
The world is facing a dire future of surveillance, mind control, human behavior control, manipulation, and human rights abuse and it is not getting any better. Most people do not realize what is happening before our eyes.
This is just a minute summary or glimpse of a huge amount of data on this subject. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: Simulations controlling reality |
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This may seem crazy, strange, and to be posted by lunatics, but is the crude truth about the world we live in. We have lost our privacy. Today privacy no longer exists. Let me show you why.
This, as a result of the terrorist war, some may claim. But it goes much further then this.
Those who do not see this are living in never never land.
The result? Very dire if we don't bring this into the public attention and allow it to be freely accessible to all, rather then controlled by a government.
Please see this post -->>
Uncle sam and private enterprise is spying on you.
Soon all you do will be under their control -->>
(Posted on the news approximately ONE MONTH before we posted this thread on this site design community -->>
http://www.theregister.com/2007/06/23/sentient_worlds/
"The DOD is developing a parallel to Planet Earth, with billions of individual "nodes" to reflect every man, woman, and child this side of the dividing line between reality and AR."
"Called the Sentient World Simulation (SWS), it will be a "synthetic mirror of the real world with automated continuous calibration with respect to current real-world information", according to a concept paper for the project."
http://www.simulexinc.com/products/case_studies/
"SWS provides an environment for testing Psychological Operations (PSYOP)," the paper reads, so that military leaders can "develop and test multiple courses of action to anticipate and shape behaviors of adversaries, neutrals, and partners".
SWS also replicates financial institutions, utilities, media outlets, and street corner shops. By applying theories of economics and human psychology, its developers believe they can predict how individuals and mobs will respond to various stressors.
SEAS can display regional results for public opinion polls, distribution of retail outlets in urban areas, and the level of unorganization of local economies, which may point to potential areas of civil unrest
Yank a country's water supply. Stage a military coup. SWS will tell you what happens next.
"The idea is to generate alternative futures with outcomes based on interactions between multiple sides," said Purdue University professor Alok Chaturvedi, co-author of the SWS concept paper.
"Chaturvedi directs Purdue's laboratories for Synthetic Environment for Analysis and Simulations, or SEAS - the platform underlying SWS. Chaturvedi also makes a commercial version of SEAS available through his company, Simulex, Inc.
SEAS users can visualise the nodes and scenarios in text boxes and graphs, or as icons set against geographical maps.
Corporations can use SEAS to test the market for new products, said Chaturvedi. Simulex lists the pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly and defense contractor Lockheed Martin among its private sector clients.
The US government appears to be Simulex's number one customer, however. And Chaturvedi has received millions of dollars in grants from the military and the National Science Foundation to develop SEAS.
Chaturvedi is now pitching SWS to DARPA and discussing it with officials at the US Department of Homeland Security, where he said the idea has been well received, despite the thorny privacy issues for US citizens."
Uncle sam claims they are doing tests on statistical analysis, for strategic planning, for scenarios of the future, geographic analysis and the like, but the true goal is ultimate global integration under a government controlled system. They will know everything about who you are, where you are and what you do. If we do not make this effort to bring this into the public domain and universal quickly, the result will be dire for all.
The answer, Project Liquid Universe.
Why allow the uncle sam, the DOD, private interest groups, and private companies spy on everything you do, from your personal, to your business, to your corporate life ? If is high time we globally unite in this project, and remove this data from private or government interest groups and keep it where it belongs - in the free public domain!
Now there are those who think this does not concern us as architects and designers ? It is high time we join forces and create the future together, including the architecture of the future.
Interesting how this government project arose simultaneously with project Project Liquid Universe, and how the concept of the project was elaborated at exactly the same time of my original post on design community, which for some reason is no longer present on these forums, but which preceeds this post and corresponds to the time of the article above.
What next, is Nasa going to now build our global ring anytime soon?
With our system, it can be done but at a fraction of the expense of having NASA do it.
(Please see our community site for more info on this project of the global rings, and other systems we as a global community are developing).
So this is all what project Liquid Universe is about and has been about since the beginning. We seek to create this exact same type DOD SWS system and the various Simulex Case study types projects within the PUBLIC DOMAIN, where they should be. Europe, Asia, Africa, South America, unite with us! Why allow one government and one company to set the stage for the future? It is high time we bring this into the public domain, where it belongs.
Together, as one voice, we need to request our politicians and leaders to open this information and these projects to public access! Why hand these projects over to one single company, to monopolize, control this information and thus monopolize the future of humanity? Whether you agree or not, either we do this together, or government and single companies will do it, and it will be too late for us to join efforts!
The government is already doing this, and some on this forum call us all sci fy fantasy, illusions are nothing but commercial crap? It is high time we as architects and designers WAKE UP, and realize urgently what is going on around us! Either we design our own alternate reality and re-shape the future together, or the government will do it for us, and it will be too late to go back!
If this does not concern us as leading architects, as environmental designers, as those who lead and shape the reality around us, then who does it concern? If we do not act and do something about this, who will?
This is a new government project and there is still time for us to unite and bring this into the public realm, before it is too late!
The time is here and now.
New World Economics: Simulations Controlling Reality in 2007
http://plausiblefutures.wordpress.com/
"This is not particularly science fiction. I’ve discussed aspects of the surveillance state before, but I am far from an expert and the field is vast and mostly secretive. I would point you towards recent articles at Global Research and Cryptogon for more knowledgeable takes on the surveillance enclosure. The peeks we do get are significant, such as the Sentient World Simulator that DARPA and Simulex have been working on, which is a fully-functional model of planet Earth, all it’s nations, and their people. The system is based off an earlier technology called Synthetic Environments for Analysis and Simulation (SEAS), which markets this super-computer power to the corporate world."
There is much information out there of concern to all regarding privacy issues. Most are not taking it seriously.
Now, for those, such as this poster below who accuse this of spam, or a "joint trip", they are obviously the ones who are detached from this reality around us. They are the ones spamming all these posts with ill founded illogical complaints. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: Technologies Challenge to Privacy |
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Technology's challenge to privacy
Internet law professor Michael Geist wonders whether technology threatens the legal foundations of privacy law.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7026641.stm
Part of the unease arises from the growing realisation that the legal foundation of privacy law is being rendered increasingly irrelevant.
Privacy and data protection laws have long relied on the twin pillars of notice and consent whereby consumers are notified of, and consent to, the collection, use, and disclosure of their personal information.
Critics argue that both notice and consent are today little more than legal fictions, as consumers ignore overly complex notices and shrinking technology makes it virtually impossible to obtain informed consumer consent.
Moreover, privacy law has also emphasised the distinction between personally identifiable information - information that can be traced to a particular person and is therefore deserving of legal protection - and non-identifiable information that does not enjoy any legal protection.
Technology threatens the ability to easily distinguish between the two as powerful computers and ever-expanding databases make it easier to identify individuals from what was once thought to be non-identifiable information.
Addressing these legal shortcomings will command the privacy community's attention for the foreseeable future; however, it was Chertoff's keynote address that crystallised the challenge to global privacy protection.
Privacy threat
Canada last hosted the conference in 1996 and it quickly became apparent that privacy has become virtually unrecognisable in the intervening eleven years.
Yet despite a dizzying array of panels on new technologies such as ubiquitous computing, radio frequency identification devices (RFID), and nanotechnology, it was a reference by United States Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff to a simple fingerprint that struck the strongest chord.
'Chilling future'
In a room full of privacy advocates, Chertoff came not with a peace offering, but rather a confrontational challenge.
Michael Chertoff
Michael Chertoff said the US intends to expand its fingerprinting
He unapologetically made the case for greater surveillance in which governments collect an ever-increasing amount of data about their citizens in the name of security.
In the process, his vision of a broad surveillance society - supported by massive databases of biometric data collected from hundreds of millions of people - presented a chilling future.
Rather than terra incognita, Chertoff seemed to say there is a known reality about our future course and there is little that the privacy community can do about it.
As privacy advocates lamented the remarks, warning of creeping surveillance and urging commissioners to take action, delegates were left to wonder whether the privacy world will again be unrecognisable when the Data Protection and Privacy Commissioner's conference next convenes in Canada.
"Michael Chertoff said the US intends to expand its fingerprinting" |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Now what I now tell, come from my memmory these years ago when I read the article, it was in nytimes on the web and the story was this ;
A poor first generation family with one teenage son suddenly get a new uncle.
This guy borrow the family money ,small but enough and enough, to within these one and a halve year become personaly engaged as friend, with the somehow silent, but othervise nice young son in the family.
After some time this uncle suggest the son to visit the local church and speak with some of the others there, --- guess lonely is the right word, but anyway uncle try a few times and finally they both go to that church. Later the uncle want to store some chemicals and learn a bit computer hands with the young man, as ---- all evidence are accepted from the "uncles" mouth, the chemicals bought and placed as if, as if this was a day in a man's work of life ; get the monthly paycheck by the police, and waiting to catch in the 120 grand the bonus,
According to the bright jurnalist who refered this case. "uncle" was a taxi driver who got his permit, helping the police. Today he is not in n.y. no one know what he do. -------- I guess that the young man who was to spend 18 more years in prison, on this syrian taxi drivers monthly paylot and the payed expenses and bonus is what vorry me less, than a brainwashed young lonely --- socialy misplaces, no job but clever enough for an education, flexible enough to trust the fine new uncle, and how many more weak personalities, are prayed by these, that is the real plaque of this war of terror. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject: please explain |
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pc
This story you wrote seems to be missing something. Thus, is not easy to understand. Can you please explain a little better? Is it about someone being trained to use bombs or something like this? It seems the middle section of the story is missing. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: How to use simulations to benefit the global community |
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As a global community, we need to allow simulations to work to our advantage. To allow us to design the cities of the future, test new transportation systems, test new models of urban design, test new ways of organizing the communities we live in. This will best be done with simulations based on the existing world.
So there is an imperative need for the global community to develop this in a joint coordinated effort, not a single effort by one country, but a global coordinated effort.
Otherwise, the scenario will be dire. The information will be used for control, manipulation of data, manipulation of populations, spreading of false information, advancement of illegal technologies and all the privacy invasion issues we so dread.
This can be clearly seen in the information presented and links presented along these threads.
Either we develop this together, or the future will be dire.
There is no other way out.
The time is here and now. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: Understanding PC |
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usarrender...I think I understand PC, how a strange "uncle" shows up within an immigrant family, persuades a gullible young nephew to go to an assembly, is taken in with the propaganda stuff, then is turned into the police by this strange "uncle", maybe locked up for 18 years.
It sort of reminds me of the Timothy McVeigh case, Oklahoma City bomber, who was taken in with some anti-American, white racist West
German person, who was giving these tirade lectures against America, advising how to resist, only to turn out he was a paid informant of the FBI or CIA or something... or so the legend goes.
And Timothy McVeigh went on to kill 200+ innocent people, a mass murderer who deserves to have been executed in my book, and I think he was in total agreement, with his executioners!!! But he was also setup, in the scenario that PC describes. In all fairness, I am convinced that our government had no idea of the devastating consequences of their little sting campaign using that instigator.
But I am moving beyond all that. I see many, many persons including General Sanchez in the last 48 hours arguiing against the Iraqi disaster. I see mainstream politicians at least giving some lip service to the horror of clandestine monitoring of each one of us. I read where the Marines are considering moving to Afghanistan...that is progress! I heard Greenspan criticizing the war as "all about oil". I hear Carter preaching very well against the terror and torture initiatives of our governments misguided actions (well intentioned as they may have started).
PC, I hear you. Virtually all the sickness you mentioned, I have also witnessed very close to me. All around me, in fact.
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Thank's --- as you guess my reading are better than my english writing and so complicated ; --- well not that complicated when all come to all --- is still difficult to repeat. But yes this uncle was working for the police from the start, he had one agenda oly , to get his monthly pay check and deliver informatopn about potential terrorists and could he bring one in, then there was a year payment bonus.
His saying was taken as primery wittnes stand and everything in that case smelled --- now I don't know all the names and frases about these terrorist acts, but these laws admit cevil agents to conspire even interfere like when the unckle invvited the young man , who was othervise acturly the family was othervise not know to be religious, but the uncle invited the young man to the mosk and just that fact, that the young man went ther and talked with suspisious people was used against him in this "case" . Also the bomb ingrediences that was bought by the uncle and left at the young man was in dispute while some of it the uncle said the young man bought (prove for terrorism) even the young man did not recall that , then it was the uncles words that was taken as "prove". May I say the young man began suffering some mental trouble in jail ,before the court ,so he was under heavy treadment and was very confused under the trial ----
Well you got my point but now it become vorse --- here in denmark we are witnessing a "case" to, where the past week court showed that the polise and nasional security had taken in a mental unstable guy , payed him money to infiltrate a group , also he bought ingrediences for bombs, that he asked some of his victems to hold for him --- a silli thing as what he thought would make a bomb was like buing acetone and drainage cleaner, he thought that would make a bomb, and the tree young people was put in jail as the police did not know that acetone and drainage cleaner could not make a bomb. Anyway this "agent" who was mentaly ill with a serious diagnosis and on some pension, while he worked "black" for the police --- that's getting money payed without paying tax --- he informed the police with exactly what they wanted to hear, and everyting he could tell some goodie there was a bonus.
Now this case is right now in the state of denmark, and instead of me troubling around the english language, let me tell that it is so absurd and frightening --- it follow the pattern the nasional security allready had about terror but people are put in jail becaurse they buy acetone and drainage cleaner while the agent didn't know that it was acetone and super hydro oxygen (impossible to buy) that was the ingredience to place at the suspected ; but what the hell the agent say and a year in prison then anyone are soft , beside they are danguras people those terrorist. Strange thing about it is, that no one here in denmark can get a detonator as it is a millitary thing but having 5 kilo futilaiser for the lawn a bottle of acetone and drainage cleaner, then the police can make a case against you, --- if you are a muslin if you go to particular churches if an payed agent say "yes it is true, where are my money". |
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